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August 21st, 2005


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ratwings
09:50 pm - Two rejections in one ticket...
I can't believe I got two rejections on one ticket! *wah* One of them was caused by quite a bit of stupidity on my part... I really can't believe I didn't rememebr the rules properly... I wanted to post a painting I did for a friend. It's a handsome asian elf samurai type guy, with a bow, and a phoenix in the background. There is also this inside joke between my friend and I, because she's obsessed with this Chinese singer named Jay Chou. Yeah... the painting is *sorta* based off of Jay Chou, who *is* a celebrity. But honestly, the resemblance is miniscule and I would bet my rats that if I hadn't said anything in the description, no one would have recognized him. I just made him look like your generic handsome anime-ish guy. And now I've blown my chances of ever posting this picture, which I happen to quite like.

The other rejection is a bit more puzzling... it's a re-upload from before the crash. Which means that yes, it was accepted before. It's a firelizard, so it's Anne McCaffrey fan art. I was very careful in my description to explain all that, basically giving a flippin encyclopedia entry on Anne McCaffrey and her brilliant works. BUT apparently I did not put in the proper little (R) thigy... you know what I mean, the little R inside the circle. ACK!!! I am so computer illiterate, I have no idea how to make one of those. The mod suggested copying the symbol from the rules page. I will try it, of course, but I'm kinda sad that I'm gonna have to wait like.... another month or two before this drawing is actually published. (I don't believe in single picture tickets... I like to save 'em up for a bit so I have a few...because I know i'll be in the middle of the queue when i have something new i want to upload).

This really stinks.
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From:aethyrkitten
Date:August 22nd, 2005 02:14 am (UTC)
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Sorry to hear about your rejections, but a big thumbs up on handling yourself so well in the face thereof; even when they're your fault or just minor technicalities, it's hard not to take personally. Good luck getting your ticket through again quickly and without such problems!
From:cuddness
Date:August 22nd, 2005 02:29 am (UTC)
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yeah, sorry about that with the pern stuffs... it's a shame Anne McCaffrey's so picky, o.O
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From:dinogrrl
Date:August 22nd, 2005 02:58 am (UTC)
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Yeah, agreed. But at least she's allowing fanstuff postings at all now :}.

Anyway, I know how you feel about the 'stupid mistake' part. I did that with a picture that had some photos I had nabbed from a public site...and then I lost the site URL and completely forgot to mention that they /were/ public domain...alas.

And...um...I'm sure a quick Google search for the registered/copyright/trademark symbols will yield plenty of sites for ya :D.
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From:ratwings
Date:August 22nd, 2005 03:20 am (UTC)
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yeah... i think there's some sort of code for html to make the (R) thingy. the mod mentioned something but it made no sense to me whatsoever (not the mod's fault!... I'm just bad with computers). i'll figure it out...

still... i will be forever a wee bit peeved about his because i know it was accepted the first time around. can't complain though... i'd been waiting years for Anne McCaffrey art to be allowed!
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From:violetice
Date:August 22nd, 2005 03:49 am (UTC)
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If you're on a PC, try Alt+0174 to get the ®

I'm not sure what the html code for it is, though.
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From:shaolin
Date:August 22nd, 2005 04:03 am (UTC)
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To interject, the html code is & r e g; (without the spaces).
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From:dagmarjung
Date:August 22nd, 2005 04:07 am (UTC)
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Is it not enough to say: 'Pern and all it's characters are copyrighted property of Anne MC Gaffrey'?
Just wondering.
From:cuddness
Date:August 22nd, 2005 04:38 am (UTC)
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nope, it's in the rules that they need the Pern trademark, complete with the little (r) symbol that's a pain to produce, o.O
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From:dagmarjung
Date:August 22nd, 2005 06:31 am (UTC)
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I'm so happy I was never interested in doing Pern fanart, and never going to.
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From:gypseytalisman
Date:August 22nd, 2005 11:25 am (UTC)
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I've never even read any McCaffrey. Am I missing anything?
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From:xanykaos
Date:August 22nd, 2005 02:24 pm (UTC)
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Possibly. I liked her stuff a lot when I first found it, but after several books, enough was enough. DragonFlight is great, and I liked Dragonsingerand Dragonsong a lot, though in retrospect Melony is a bit of a Mary Sue. But...well...she's a readable one unlike, oh, Rhapsody... (grr...Rhapsody...must...kill...)
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From:dagmarjung
Date:August 22nd, 2005 03:06 pm (UTC)
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Dapends. Her books are entertaining, and her World of Pern, where humans and sentient dragons live in symbiosis, will probably stay in your mind. However her plot and characterizations are pretty run of the mill. The effect is that after some books, I lost interest and never reread.
From:ghostbard
Date:August 22nd, 2005 05:10 pm (UTC)
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That's odd. I've read all the Pern books (except for the newest by her son) and I found that each book was very good, and that the plot and characterizations were a lot better than most of the other stuff I've read.
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From:anotherdream
Date:August 22nd, 2005 05:52 pm (UTC)
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YMMV, obviously. I've read some McCaffrey and overall think that she is one of the most overrated SF&F authors. She just didn't read as anything special, even below average, to me.
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From:dagmarjung
Date:August 22nd, 2005 07:07 pm (UTC)
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Well, tastes differ.
Ursula K.Leguin suggested a little thumbnail test concerning characterization: If you can recall the name of the protagonist 4 weeks after you read a novel, the characterization is well done. She gave an example: After reading 'Pride and Predjudice', you will probably remember the names of Elisabeth and Darcy for far longer than 4 weeks. (I certainly did.)

As for the Pern books, I recall vividly the general setting and certain standard situations: The Wyverns where men and dragons lived together, the queen dragons and the various coloured males, the hatching when the young dragons chose their future riders, and so on. That was original and entertaining. But I can't recall a single character from her books. They all felt pretty generic to me.
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From:klawzie
Date:August 22nd, 2005 08:41 pm (UTC)
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P&P is one of my favorite books. But I'm bad with names. HORRIBLE with names. I sometimes have trouble remembering what I've named my own characters... ;P So I kept getting confused and referring to Darcy as "Percy" for awhile there.

But I do agree with the basis of what UKLG means. I remember loads about the P&P characters (granted, I've read the book about a dozen or more times over the last ten years), but I honestly could not give you even ONE name from the five or six Pern books I've read.
From:ghostbard
Date:August 23rd, 2005 06:04 am (UTC)
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Whereas I could name almost every main character ever written about in her book, and several of her minor characters. The same goes for her FT&T (Rowan, Damia, etc.) books...I can list the main characters for most of those as well.
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From:anotherdream
Date:August 22nd, 2005 07:01 am (UTC)
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Even though it's already been said, you need to use the ® thingy to make the R sign, I suspect it may not show up properly if you just copy-paste it from somewhere. (It's a HTML "entity" and will render as the proper R sign on the page.)
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From:poto_heart
Date:August 22nd, 2005 01:02 pm (UTC)
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Actually, from my experience, if you copy it from the character map on your computer, it shows up...However, it may just be the sites that I use it on (considering I've only used it, what, twice? xD)
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From:icepearls
Date:August 22nd, 2005 04:00 pm (UTC)

I feel with you

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Yeah, rejections suck!
I've also had some rejections through my time at Elfwood and it's always soo annoying when something is rejected - and it's doesn't matter whether it was one's own fault (which is mostly is ^-^) or a strict moderator..
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From:celticwren
Date:August 22nd, 2005 04:39 pm (UTC)

I love Elfwood but...

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My question is, for the celebrity thing, now why is Orlando Bloom dressed as Legolas allowed in Fan art since he is technically considered a celebrity?
I have draw several pictures of a French Singer called -M- ( that is his alias (sp?) actually),

( http://www.qui2nous2.com/ )

one of him with She-Ra, another him with a cat girl, and yet another him with wings. This is his onstage personality, complete with a spectacular hairdo and outfits, would this be considered a character he is playing ( I have a drawing of him playing a guitar in space because I also think of him as a rather Sci-fi type of character)? I did upload the one of him with She-ra before the crash, but I am afraid to try again , which is sad because the picture is really funny IMO (there have been a couple cases where my first upload makes it OK, and the second time around it gets rejected, which makes for confusion.)
*sigh* :(
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From:dagmarjung
Date:August 22nd, 2005 07:29 pm (UTC)

Re: I love Elfwood but...

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You can publish SF/F Movie fanart. Take Orlando Bloom as an example: Legolas looking like Orlando Bloom is fine. You are then depicting Legolas, a fantasy character. Orlando Bloom just as himself is not accepted. Madonna dressed up as fairy queen is also against the rules. (Celebrity art)

(On a side note, Orlando Bloom became a celebrity only after and because he played the pretty elf in LotR.)

What annoys me is that about half of the movie-related LotR fanart is taken from movie stills, which makes it boring and is also not allowed on Elfwood. This is one of the finer points of the rules that confuse people constantly: you are allowed to depict characters from movies, but not to copy movie stills.

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From:celticwren
Date:August 22nd, 2005 11:38 pm (UTC)

Re: I love Elfwood but...

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Sooo... I can dress -M- up as Legolas? ;)
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From:dagmarjung
Date:August 23rd, 2005 06:10 am (UTC)

Re: I love Elfwood but...

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Don't know. Does he look like Legolas? ;-)
Seriously, I don't know exactly where your French singer with wings and cat girl fits in. Might depend on the description.
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From:celticwren
Date:August 23rd, 2005 04:44 pm (UTC)
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Hmmm, well, you know everyone has their different version of Legolas (as you find out from comments like "Well, he's not exactly what I though he looked like...."). *laughs* Not really, he looks more like my husband. <:) I guess they just fit in my sketch book for my own personal enjoyment (I'm too scared to get a Deviant art/other gallery to show stuff off there, I don't like the looks of the user agreement). :)
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From:anotherdream
Date:August 23rd, 2005 07:44 am (UTC)

Re: I love Elfwood but...

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No, because he never played that role. In fanart you're not depicting the actor, you're depicting a character that happened to be played by that actor. If said actor never actually had that role, it's considered celebrity art, you just happened to dress him up funny.

Sarah Michelle Gellar as herself - not okay, Sarah Michelle Gellar as Buffy - okay, Sarah Michelle Gellar as Galadriel or whatever - not okay.

And I have no clue where "musical fantasy characters" that some musicians have created of themselves fit in. AFAIK there's no official word on it, as it has never come up...
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From:celticwren
Date:August 23rd, 2005 05:02 pm (UTC)
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"No, because he never played that role."

That makes sense. Must be tricky telling SMG from Buffy though, I guess it's like the "borderline" pictures, you'd have to put something in the picture that is obviously from the show (like a stabbity wooden stake).

RE:"musical fantasy characters" These are probably so few and far between that it's probably easier to just say no to any of them. Lord knows Mods already have enough stuff to do without having to figure out one more thing.
From:allcuishpa
Date:August 23rd, 2005 12:23 am (UTC)
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A good question. And what about Ziggy Stardust? I wonder if he is in genre D:
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From:celticwren
Date:August 23rd, 2005 05:18 pm (UTC)
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From what I read on line about Z. Stardust, it sounds about the same as what M. Chédid is doing, when you come across things like this excerpt:

"While Matthieu resumed the pose and posturing of his flamboyant M persona on his new album, there was also a pull away from his alter ego, a desire to break away and become simple Matthieu Chédid again (both on stage and on record). "


I think the character you are talking about is probably more fantasy than -M- though. :)
From:allcuishpa
Date:August 26th, 2005 01:51 am (UTC)
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Yeah considering Ziggy came from Mars and stuff.
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From:mnight
Date:August 23rd, 2005 03:09 am (UTC)

Re: I love Elfwood but...

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oooh...Is he the guy who did a music video for The Triplets of Belleville?
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From:celticwren
Date:August 23rd, 2005 04:38 pm (UTC)
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Yes! The one and the same, the TTOB song is a catchy one! :) :) He also has a bunch of cool music videos on his website too. There is one where he is depicted as a little faerie, from what I can make out (the resolution of the video is not that great), the faerie represents his heart. :)
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From:sharr
Date:August 22nd, 2005 07:12 pm (UTC)
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something fun you can do to find the codes for all those little things is do a search on your computer hard drive for a file called "charmap.exe" or you can go to C:\WINDOWS\system32 and scroll down past the folders to the files, and find it.

the Character Map is a little program that comes with windows (i always have a shortcut on my desktop) and you open it, and it's got all these little boxes, with all these little symbols on it. from question marks to arabic letters to the ® and © just highlight the symbol you want and look down at the bottom right corner and it will have "Keystroke: _________" and a code. usually it's alt+**** and four numbers. just hold down the ALT button and hit the numbers on your NUMBER PAD, not the numbers across the top of the keyboard, but the ones over on the right in the block.
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From:pet_student
Date:August 22nd, 2005 10:38 pm (UTC)
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Two of us, then. Out of two images, one of mine got rejected. I won't argue the case, as I can see the argument - I just totally didn't consider the possibility of rejection, as the same character is up in a neighbour gallery (me and that artist do play the same MUD), with even less of a "THIS IS FANTASY BECAUSE -description". Even the composition is similar, damnit [I of course gave credit for pose idea in description!] But it got rejected, and I'm unreasonably grumpy. I -must- learn that my "obvious fantasy" images are pure historical ones when it comes to Elfwood rules. A Deviant art gallery account and some better thinking from my part would probably save Mods trouble and me agony. I just happen to like Elfwood better. Awww, the trouble one can make for oneself when one has nothing better to do...
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From:celticwren
Date:August 22nd, 2005 11:58 pm (UTC)
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"I -must- learn that my "obvious fantasy" images are pure historical ones when it comes to Elfwood rules." Same thing happened with me my last ticket, I forget to add that stuff into the description because in my head I don't think of it as borderline. >_
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From:ratwings
Date:August 23rd, 2005 12:03 am (UTC)
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Thank you guys for your (R) advice! ^_^ If I can't pull it off on my next ticket, I GIVE UP.

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